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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Aug 7, 2004 4:55am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: SELFISHNESS DENIES OTHERS FREEDOMS

Fining people for wearing a seat-belt is wrong in all aspects. If you feel like it protects you, then wear one, if you don't think its comfortable or something of the nature don't. But the whole point of my post was, its time people owned the goverment, rather than the other way around

VOTE CANNING/DWYER 2004!!!

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 7, 2004 7:06pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: re :a politician,s unsatisfactory reply. NO answer to my questions

TO ..KURT CANNING .. you have given a typical politician,s reply to my post . Which means that that you have NOT answered any of the points raised in my original post. You say that people should not be required to wear seat-belts. Well here is a simple case ....A man with a family (young children) has a serious auto accident. If he was wearing a seat0belt there would be NO injuries. BUT HE IS NOT WEARING A SEAT BELT AND HAS TERRIBLE NJURIES..HOW DOES this CHANGE THE FREEDOMS OF FAMILY DRS NURSES ETC ETC WHO MUST DEVOTE TIME TO CARE FOR HIM? WHAT FREEDOMS DOTHEY LOSE when they have to spend much time and ANGUISH in caring forhim????? revision (spelling)

This post was modified by cashel on 2004-08-08 02:06:14

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Poster: tom w. Date: Aug 7, 2004 9:37pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: re :a politician,s unsatisfactory reply. NO answer to my questions

"A man with a family (young children) has a serious auto accident. If he was wearing a seat0belt there would be NO injuries"

while the point of the original post wassilly and absurd, i dont undersatnd your logic here. how does this family man in the driver seat wearing a seatbelt protect his kids or other drivers? i agree with laws enforcing seatbelts requirments for children, but when it comes to adults... if they want to drive into a pole or risk the chance of driving into a pole and flying out the windsheild... well, fuck em. should we make suicide illegal? yeah, just try to kill yourself and we'll lock you up forever. sounds discouraging, or maybe encouraging...
fuck em, good luck to 'em, go ahead and indulge in anything self destructive, you own your body, do what you will.
sure, make the children wear the seatbelt, im with it. protect the people from the self destructive tendencies of others,,,, but let em be. and stop bickering over these little obscure issues like seatbelts. go fight a war for god's sake

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 7, 2004 11:34pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: COMPULSORY seat-belts are NOT a denial of freedom rights

Seat-belts SAVE LIVES. (stats and scientific evidence proof)If a human life can be saved by wearing a seat-belt that is IMPORTANT information.Most of us cannot fight in wars BUT we DO INTERACT with fellow human beings every day. SO it is important that our words(spokrn or written be sensible. YOU dispute my statement that seat-belt should be compulsory. BUT you have NO ANSWER to my statement that the injured auto-driver who was NOT wearing a seat-belt CAUSES IMMENSE ANGUISH to the people who have to care for him. revision(spelling)

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This post was modified by cashel on 2004-08-08 06:34:29

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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Aug 8, 2004 9:32am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: A Sad Story: A Bad Law

The point I'm trying to make is that, wearing a seat-belt shouldn't be a law, but a choice. You see I agree whole-heartedly that seat-belts save lives. However I have a story to tell the lot of you.

I had a friend named, Wes Garrison. He was a very safe guy, always avoided alchohol and such things..and my main point is he always wore a seatbelt. He used to always complain about how uncomfortable it was. Well one day he and my other friend Jason were driving to my house to watch the game (we were all big dolphins fans). Well I get a call from Jason they are running about 30 minutes late. He told me that Wes accidentially wrecked the car trying to fix his seat-belt. Now my friend is dead and Jason has bad back problems now.

You see, seat-belts do save lives, but uncomfortable ones take them. That's why I believe its a choice. Wear a seat-belt if it makes you feel safe. I just do not want to to see another person die because the goverment forced them to wear a seat-belt.

As for your questions about the Injured person that causes anguish. It was his decision to wear a seat-belt or not. He just made the wrong decision. Now Like I said, I think we should encourage the use of seat-belts, but not force them upon people.

PS: If they wreck is as bad as your making it out to be, I dont think a seat-belt would of helped much.

VOTE CANNING/YOUNG 2004!!!

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 8, 2004 9:56am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: A Sad Story: A Bad Law CONDOLANCES

KURT I understand your grief with the death of your friend. I will not bother you with my opinions on seat-belts.

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Poster: Kurt_Canning_2004 Date: Aug 8, 2004 10:32am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: A Sad Story: A Bad Law CONDOLANCES

No please do, thats what running for president is all about, other people's opinions, I'm simply saying that for comfort reasons, it should no be mandatory.

VOTE CANNING/YOUNG 2004!!!

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Poster: jackgrimes2004 Date: Aug 8, 2004 11:45pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: A Sad Story: A Bad Law CONDOLANCES

Personally, as Sally Parker and I were once in a terrible accident, because of a defective Ryder truck she'd rented and, would very probably be dead now if we were not wearing seatbelts, I've got to agree that seatbelts do save lives.

But, it's like the smoking bans, only the bar owner or restauranteer should have the authority to say whether or not he will allow cigarettes in his establishment. So, while I personally would never be without a seatbelt nor, would I permit it in my own cars, I don't think I have the right to choose for other drivers.

0n a similar note. We think the safety seat for children is important. We say this because children are not old enough, or wise enough, to choose for themselves what is right or what is wrong.

Here in formerly "Free Amerikia" laws multiply faster than cockroaches and most of them serve no function other than to oppress the public and make their lives harsh and hellish.

VOTE FASCIST 2004!!!!

This post was modified by jackgrimes2004 on 2004-08-09 06:45:32

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Poster: rightmomtx Date: Sep 3, 2004 2:04pm
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: A Sad Story: A Bad Law CONDOLANCES

here is another something to think about...since taxpayers and insurance premium payers eventually bear the financial brunt of the medical expenses of those who choose to go without seatbelts, whose freedom is really infringed upon by allowing seatbelt choice? No one's freedoms are taken away by seatbelt laws. People are still free to refrain from using taxpayers roadways if they don't want to wear a seatbelt. this is not a governmental control issue. it is a matter of fiscal common sense. i prefer not to finance the stupidity of others. also, those who wish to go without seatbelts can pay the fine and consider it an installment towards their future emergency medical care!

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Poster: SocialismFor America Date: Sep 4, 2004 3:24am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: A Sad Story: A Bad Law CONDOLANCES

I Think the point he was trying to make is that people shouldn't have to wear a seatbelt, because of the different veiwpoints on it. Some people find it nessecary, others find it useless. So we should just let people decide. Being forced to wear a seat-belt is sort of like being forced to waer on acctual belt. Its to keep your pants from falling down...but some people hate them and find them uncomfortable to wear.

VOTE WALT BROWN FOR PRESIDENT!!

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Poster: rightmomtx Date: Sep 4, 2004 8:03am
Forum: election_2004 Subject: Re: A Sad Story: A Bad Law CONDOLANCES

i know the point he was trying to make and i don't subscribe to his argument. doesn't cut it for me! a lame argument, from someone who is likely to end up lame because he is too uncomfortable to wear a seatbelt. he may end up "seat belted" to a wheel chair because he can't keep himself in it as a quad. it may be his right to end up in a wheel chair, but i sure don't want to pay for it and that is what ends up happening! i also don't think i should be subjected to the sight of his blood and guts all over the place if i happen to drive by after he has had an accident! and i don't want to think about how sad his mother would be without him either for that matter. but those last two are beside the point and just me whining.

all i can say is just wear your seatbelt and whine about something important, like all the laws that REALLY infringe on our rights! or better yet, do something about the laws that really infringe on our rights!

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